Curse

the_jos · Nov 05, 2006, 10:17 AM // 10:17

I was aware of a skill out there that interrupts and disables signets, but I don't have it in my mesmer skills list and wiki was down.
So I just skipped it.
Thanks for telling me that it's Complicate.
SV is also a valuable option in the build, but I prefer no downtime at al.

I think I have to create a W again to figure out a way to counter a mesmer...

Skuld · Nov 05, 2006, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by spawnofebil

That's genius.

Stonefists, Shock, Glyph of Essence, Meteor Shower will trap them for at least a few hits (I used cleave and dismember too) (ty ubermancer)

No-one ever expects the.. m-shower warrior?

What if... · Nov 05, 2006, 01:08 PM // 13:08

we're joking right?

LightningHell · Nov 05, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by What if...

we're joking right?

Hopefully.

Skuld · Nov 05, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Partially serious. We were testing out meleemancer setups vs warriors and I was sick of being dead before my adrenaline had funny charged - a insta-shower warrior was totally unexpected

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10016114

(ps I shall hide now)

Two April Mornings · Nov 05, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Its easy to kill a warrior 1on1 with anti-warrior skills if u know he's simply a standard war that will attack you. Most wars will just attack thru the hexes you put on him, there is no skill required there.

LightningHell · Nov 05, 2006, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

Its easy to kill a warrior 1on1 with anti-warrior skills if u know he's simply a standard war that will attack you. Most noob, quite possibly mending-hugging wars will just attack thru the hexes you put on him, there is no skill required there.

Fixed.

Terra Xin · Nov 06, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by the_jos

I think I have to create a W again to figure out a way to counter a mesmer...

The only way you can counter a mesmer is when they're using a build that doesn't counter your own... otherwise... enjoy your time on the floor. The only counter a warrior has is hoping for the best :P

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Originally Posted by Skuld

No-one ever expects the.. m-shower warrior?

If a Warrior who uses Heal Sig + Frenzy doesn't surprise me, then a m-shower warrior wont surprise me either. I've come up against a m-shower warrior, I wasn't expecting it... but he wasn't expecting me to take two steps to the right, so we came out even:P

LightningHell · Nov 06, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

The only way you can counter a mesmer is when they're using a build that doesn't counter your own... otherwise... enjoy your time on the floor. The only counter a warrior has is hoping for the best :P

That's true for every profession, including Mesmer itself.

around · Nov 06, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Stonefists, Shock, Glyph of Essence, Meteor Shower will trap them for at least a few hits (I used cleave and dismember too) (ty ubermancer)

No-one ever expects the.. m-shower warrior?

You forgot Hamstring to make it an uber hamstorm warrior.

Hella Good · Nov 06, 2006, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by random.name

The one profession that can kill a mesmer in no time at all is probably sins.

I disagree. Sins can only ever kill a Me, if they manage to catch the Me off-guard. And if the Me is off-guard, it's his/her stupidity that gets em killed, not the Sin. Sins are probably the one profession, I personally find extremely easy to kill. The recent updates did get Sins a tag more annoying but I personally find Rangers much more of a challenge. Sins are too easy to shut down with Shack/Wrack (it's utterly devastating), or avoid with Dist and the likes while overwhelming with degen and War Hate hexes.

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Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

Most wars will just attack thru the hexes you put on him, there is no skill required there.

I rarely play physicals and even more rarely melee ones but I was amazed when I did play War for the 1st time how much better I carried it out than your avg War by simply knowing when NOT to attack. A good War knows when to stop attacking, a bad one just keeps swinging.

Effigy · Nov 06, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

I don't think warriors get enough credit for what they do. They may not be subtle, but it does take a lot of awareness and ability to make fast decisions to be successful. The sheer number of bad warriors, even those with good builds, is evidence to this end.

Two April Mornings · Nov 06, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Hella Good

I rarely play physicals and even more rarely melee ones but I was amazed when I did play War for the 1st time how much better I carried it out than your avg War by simply knowing when NOT to attack. A good War knows when to stop attacking, a bad one just keeps swinging.

Definitely. The mesmers only one-up on warriors is the fact that most warriors, being tha tmost warriors aren't that good, will attack through devastating hexes.

Master Fuhon · Nov 07, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

More importantly, how does the anti-warrior build rate against a properly built random arenas W/Mo?

Points into healing prayers, sword, tactics (prot/strength not required)
Vigorous Spirit, Healing Light, Healing Signet, Mend Ailment
Sever Artery, Gash, Distracting Blow, other skill

Basically try to force the cooldowns on clumsiness/ineptitude, which should be possible. Also, I'm thinkin the warrior should be relying on 3 types of heals, enchantment based, straight heal 1 second, and signet based. That way the mesmer would have trouble shutting down the healing.

Or would someone just end up switching the mesmer to the old Spirit of Failure/Distortion combo to outlast the warrior in the end? Would the warrior need more healing if he plans to hit through the devastating hexes to keep up the pressure?

LightningHell · Nov 07, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Master Fuhon

Or would someone just end up switching the mesmer to the old Spirit of Failure/Distortion combo to outlast the warrior in the end? Would the warrior need more healing if he plans to hit through the devastating hexes to keep up the pressure?

I'd think the warrior would just /ragequit.

Master Fuhon · Nov 07, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06

The only thing the mesmer really has to fear from another class (for dueling purposes) is the use of conditions. I find distortion to have been one of the most annoying to face, and as a warrior would think of something like seeking blade to apply some bleeding. I had listed mend ailment, but by all accounts mending touch should be fine on almost every dueling character if you need other monk skills. The other option would be plague touch.

I had killed a few Ineptitude/Clumsiness mesmers with Healing Breeze/Mend Ailment who thought those two skills were enought to run on autopilot. That's why the Distortion is a real backbreaker part of the build, with the two self heals.

Now that I looked at what I picked, I would think about swapping gash out for seeking blade to get the bleeding started when the mesmer uses distortion and fill in the last spot with a speed burst (escape plan). Silly mesmer without a snare!

Apple · Nov 09, 2006, 09:20 AM // 09:20

The only real pvp situation where i can see a warrior coming up against a mesmer is a "You're All Alone" warrior coming up against a crippling anguish/illusion mesmer on splits. In this case, it's 99% certain that the crip/ang mesmer will win, due to the warrior being snared a ridiculous amount.

|pyro| · Nov 09, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

I love Frenzy Warriors in PvP, I have that skill that maked 55 damage and -3 degen for xx seconds, so A warrir ruses to me with frenzy on I give him 110 dmg for 5 mana, I like to use Phanthasm then for -5 degen, and Acumulated Pain, so -8 degen and deep wound and -55/110 dmg, if he cecides to put mending on I use drain ench to regen some mana, if wants to attack me I put distortion on, + that skill for 55 dmg can be spammed over time.

Apple · Nov 09, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

To the above poster : the skill you are referring to is Images of Remorse, and if you think THAT'S pretty, just wait till you get a warrior who uses frenzy and then hits while hexed with Ineptitude AND clumsiness. They literally BLOW UP!

mathijn · Nov 09, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

uhm 280+dmg from inep+180+dmg from clumsi+110dmg from IoR.
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